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^ I don't have any political views as I don't give enough of a fuck to pointlessly argue with no end in sight, this retarded forum is 90% political bullshit and I'm a little bored at work which is why I bothered to say anything.
Everyone has political views. Each and every post in this thread is a political view or asking about someone's political view.

You called Trump a Nazi. That is a political view. You said that the repeal of Obamacare will put 24 million people off health insurance. That is a political talking point.
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It is ideologically impossible for Republicans to be 'Nazi' (National Socialist German Workers' Party). Not because of the German part obviously, but the socialist label. Republicans are for less government control, not more.

If Republicans are guilty of anything it is the ideology of allowing the individual to do nearly anything they want without regard to the 'greater good.'

I always have to laugh whenever I hear Democrats/liberals attempt to label Republicans as Nazis. It couldn't be any further from the truth, not even remotely close. Are there racist Republicans, absolutely. Are there socialist Republicans, not a chance.
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Republicans are for less government control, not more.

If Republicans are guilty of anything it is the ideology of allowing the individual to do nearly anything they want without regard to the 'greater good.'
So their general anti-abortion, anti-legalization, anti-science, and anti-LGBT rights standpoint is just a hallucination I'm having?

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Ad hominem aside, are my statements true or false:

1. Republicans are for less government control, not more.

2. If Republicans are guilty of anything it is the ideology of allowing the individual to do nearly anything they want without regard to the 'greater good.'
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Ad hominem aside, are my statements true or false:

1. Republicans are for less government control, not more.
Less government!!


No drugs. No abortions.

If it was less government, those would not be regulated.....
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Everyone has political views. Each and every post in this thread is a political view or asking about someone's political view.

You called Trump a Nazi. That is a political view. You said that the repeal of Obamacare will put 24 million people off health insurance. That is a political talking point.
Trump may not want to eradicate an entire population, tho I would bet many he hired would want all muslims off the planet, he has divided this country and world more than anyone before him.

Like I've said before, GOP fucked up electing this piece of shit, anyone else but him and this would not be happening
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62+ Million Americans voted for him, so I would say America was already devided. Btw, I disliked both candidates so I didn't vote. I did vote McCain in 2008.
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Folks who do not vote tend to have a say, but shouldn't perhaps...Just sayin'..

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Folks who do not vote tend to have a say, but shouldn't perhaps...Just sayin'..

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If I had voted it would have been for the lesser of two evils, Trump. Just sayin'..
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... Republicans are for less government control, not more.

If Republicans are guilty of anything it is the ideology of allowing the individual to do nearly anything they want without regard to the 'greater good.'
then please explain their obsession with blocking women's reproductive rights, i.e. abortion? There opposition is based solely on religion and NOT on the women's personal right to choose or for the 'greater good' of society.

oh and you know this House-sponsored bill is a huge shit sandwich, when nearly every republican that voted for this crap legislation begins their interview with "Well, this isn't a perfect bill..." or words to those effect.
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If I had voted it would have been for the lesser of two evils, Trump. Just sayin'..
And that's fine, "The Lesser of Two Evils" was the standpoint of a lot of folks who voted for either side. The right to vote is an important one; all who have it should exercise it (I lived stateside without the right to vote for 16 years, and paid taxes - you could be goddamn sure when I became a citizen the first thing I did was register to vote).. There is something that seems off-kilter to me when someone who has such strong political opinion (which you have the right to do) for whatever side didn't vote.

How one could create one of the most hot-handed threads of the year solely based on [supporting/defending] our current president, and not even vote is beyond me. Wow.
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How one could create one of the most hot-handed threads of the year solely based on [supporting/defending] our current president, and not even vote is beyond me. Wow.
I made a conscious decision not to vote this time, but I still made a choice.
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So their general anti-abortion, anti-legalization, anti-science, and anti-LGBT rights standpoint is just a hallucination I'm having?

Mkay.
Please clarify the anti-science standpoint? Are you referring to "Global Warming"?
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^Although global warming is in there, as I understand it is a hot topic there is much more than just that. That being said, and considering the [very few] links I posted vs. what is available I am sure you will find a way to [attempt to] discredit my point...Fake news etc....

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...e-rdquo-moves/

Trump's anti-science budget will be a disaster for America's bottom line - LA Times

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...earths-climate

Trump's anti-science agenda gives us protesting scientists - Chicago Tribune

Anti-Science Trump Administration Draws Thousands to the Streets Worldwide

Donald Trump's Anti-Science Agenda Leaves Stephen Hawking Feeling Unwelcome In U.S. | HuffPost

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nds/100780684/

It isn't a farce that he has had an agenda to hit science's reputation and abilities. The EPA is a huge issue, as is the global warming opinion differences...I would think that with such a massive division on whether or not it is an issue, promoting its research instead of locking it out would be the most sensible thing to do.

WTF is he afraid of, being wrong? Ding ding ding...
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^Although global warming is in there, as I understand it is a hot topic there is much more than just that. That being said, and considering the [very few] links I posted vs. what is available I am sure you will find a way to [attempt to] discredit my point...Fake news etc....

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...e-rdquo-moves/

Trump's anti-science budget will be a disaster for America's bottom line - LA Times

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...earths-climate

Trump's anti-science agenda gives us protesting scientists - Chicago Tribune

Anti-Science Trump Administration Draws Thousands to the Streets Worldwide

Donald Trump's Anti-Science Agenda Leaves Stephen Hawking Feeling Unwelcome In U.S. | HuffPost

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nds/100780684/

It isn't a farce that he has had an agenda to hit science's reputation and abilities. The EPA is a huge issue, as is the global warming opinion differences...I would think that with such a massive division on whether or not it is an issue, promoting its research instead of locking it out would be the most sensible thing to do.

WTF is he afraid of, being wrong? Ding ding ding...
"Science" has destroyed its own reputation and abilities by taking a leftist slant on almost everything.

The EPA should be shut down for a variety of reasons starting with backdooring things that can not get passed in Congress. They write rules that cost you and me and everyone else thousands of dollars a year. It has been completely infiltrated by leftists that do not care about science and only care about political agendas.

The problem with the whole global warming "science" is if you disagree or offer evidence disproving it you get ridiculed or run out of your job.

The country is approaching 20 trillion in debt. Many agencies and hundreds of thousands of government workers need to be let go to get this shit under control or we will be Greece, Spain or Venezuela very soon. Once it gets to that point people will take up arms and fix the mess their own way. No one wants that to happen.
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Science doesn't give a shit about left or right. Do you think the foundations of the buildings I conduct drilling, consult and provide recommendations for give a flying fuck about right or left? No. As an example what I do needs to be done. Period. Without it our highways, bridges, buildings and infrastructure's safety are compromised.

Same goes for natural science. Shit needs to be done in order for ANY laws involving the environment can have a basis, and provide the correct engineering controls to be put in place to provide safe infrastructure to prevent people from DYING.

Do you give a fuck where stormwater goes? If your water will kill you (ref. Detroit failure)? EPA. It's more than just tree hugging hippies dude, it's a part of the 1st world machine - without it we're spinning our wheels, backwards.

The only goddamn thing that the church and science have in common is that politics needs to stay the fuck out of it.

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Science doesn't give a shit about left or right. Do you think the foundations of the buildings I conduct drilling, consult and provide recommendations for give a flying fuck about right or left? No. As an example what I do needs to be done. Period. Without it our highways, bridges, buildings and infrastructure's safety are compromised.

Same goes for natural science. Shit needs to be done in order for ANY laws involving the environment can have a basis, and provide the correct engineering controls to be put in place to provide safe infrastructure to prevent people from DYING.

Do you give a fuck where stormwater goes? If your water will kill you (ref. Detroit failure)? EPA. It's more than just tree hugging hippies dude, it's a part on the 1st world machine - without it we're spinning our wheels, backwards.

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Science in and of itself does not care about left or right. Scientists however do.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta.../#2aed7f6027ba

Try building a highway in California right now. Hell try building houses in California. It takes years and millions in various "environmental studies". Fracking is another example. Scientists don't like it because they are aligned with the hippies that hate oil so they ignore studies saying that there is no evidence of a problem. They have been caught fabricating and taking out of context things from other studies.

EPA does not give a rats ass about storm water. They do not give a rats ass about drinking water. New York City has higher levels of lean in their drinking water than Flint. I do not see the EPA shutting down the water system there. I grew up in California, hippy central, and the one thing you learned as a small child: Do not go to the beach for a week after a storm because you will get sick. The EPA does care that if you have a small depression on your property that after a rain fills with water for 3 days and you want to fill the depression and use the land for something. Then they care. Then they fine you 25000 a day until you restore the land. The EPA is all about 1 thing: Control. If you think that that it is an agency for kindness and hugs think again. It is for control of business and individuals.

The assumption you make is that environmentalists like being a 1st world country. They don't. they want us to go back to an agrarian society, minus the cows, chicken and pigs because they "cause" global warming.
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Try building a highway in California right now. Hell try building houses in California. It takes years and millions in various "environmental studies".
Been in residential, commercial and infrastructure engineering for 18 years, goddamn right environmental studies need to be performed (we do them too - again, it's part of the system. Try getting a bank to lend you money for any development without a Phase I ESA in the least). Or we could go ahead and build that school over high arsenic content land without engineering controls put in place. Also, understood that eng. controls is not a guarantee.

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S Fracking is another example. Scientists don't like it
You mean the ones who are against it. No scientists = no fracking it's purely a science based industry.
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Been in residential, commercial and infrastructure engineering for 18 years, goddamn right environmental studies need to be performed (we do them too - again, it's part of the system. Try getting a bank to lend you money for any development without a Phase I ESA in the least). Or we could go ahead and build that school over high arsenic content land without engineering controls put in place. Also, understood that eng. controls is not a guarantee.



You mean the ones who are against it. No scientists = no fracking it's purely a science based industry.
The need is to get the infrastructure built. The want is to have it be nice and cuddly with the environment. There is a big difference between need and want. We need food to eat. We want it to be a 1" thick medium rare 21 day aged prime porterhouse steak with mashed potatoes and a vintage red wine.

Except for Islamists, I do not think that there is a person on the planet that thinks that science is bad. It is the scientists and the way they A) frame the experiment B) draw conclusions from said experiments to fit a particular agenda C) shut down and shout out anyone and everyone that disagrees with the "overwhelming consensus". The federal government does not and should not get involved in these matters. If they have to get involved it should be in a minimalist way.
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