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Im at a complete loss for who to vote for this year since I havnt really heard any of the debates. So...vote and leave a post of the 1 thing you like best about your choice. Maybe you guys can help me decide and Im sure there will be some varying opinions.
Right now Im leaning toward McCain because I think the republicans are gonna be more apt to fix some of the illegal immagrant problems. But I think Clinton has a better chance of balancing the budget...with the help of Bill. Damn...Im confused which way to go!
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who is gonna do the least amount of damage?
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Whats the deal with the preacher Obama idolizes? Extremist or Racist?
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McCain will do the least amount of damage... Clinton and Obama will be taxation-city.
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i'm torn, but no McCain for me....dude is just a hand puppet for the conservatives, and i'm an independent, so no bias. He has changed his story and his views and beliefs every time the party told him they didn't like him or he was not conservative enough. I would like him if he was his own person, but he isn't. Iffy on Obama, but a republican will be a lame duck in the whitehouse just like bush now, can't pass anything because the other party controls the house and the senate, spends his time vetoing stupid ideas so for now I go clinton/obama, though then you run a risk there...
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McCain will do the least amount of damage... Clinton and Obama will be taxation-city.
we just gotta tax all the people in washington, D.C., they have no representation....hell the license plates say taxation without representation
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i'm torn, but no McCain for me....dude is just a hand puppet for the conservatives, and i'm an independent, so no bias. He has changed his story and his views and beliefs every time the party told him they didn't like him or he was not conservative enough. I would like him if he was his own person, but he isn't. Iffy on Obama, but a republican will be a lame duck in the whitehouse just like bush now, can't pass anything because the other party controls the house and the senate, spends his time vetoing stupid ideas so for now I go clinton/obama, though then you run a risk there...
dude, wtf are you talking about? McCain is the most liberal republican of them all, in fact many of his beliefs/policies are alienating him from the far-right. And when has he changed his story/views? He has stuck to his guns throughout the whole war, and because of that his winning the election is almost totally dependent on how well this war goes between now and the general election. Hillary is the worst of all, doing nothing more than trying to cut down the other candidates to prop herself up. She's like a petty child kicking all the bigger kids in the shins and running away.
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who said nothing passing in congress is a bad thing? The less they accomplish, the better off we are.
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do you like the way the US is right now? if you like the economy/iraq etc, vote republican

if you don't like the way the US is being run, vote democrat

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do you like the way the US is right now? if you like the economy/iraq etc, vote republican

if you don't like the way the US is being run, vote democrat

easy as that
Unfortunately, this is how the majority of uneducated Americans think. Their political "views" are completely one-dimensional and based off nothing more than soundbyetes they pick up on cnn or fox while they are flipping through the channels looking for reality tv shows.
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Hey, I tried to break it down as simple as possible. He hasn't watched any debates or researched any of the issues.

I would vote for Obama because I think he can bring people together. I think republicans and democrats are too abrasive toward each other and nothing can get done...it's always an argument. Policy wise, he's almost the same as Hillary, but I just think I can trust him more than her.

I like McCain, but I just think we need a change in this country, right now it's a sinking ship
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the "100 years in Iraq if we have too" sealed McCain's fate for me. Well, that, and he's a republican. I'd far more rather pay more taxes than be in this mess and continue to be in it.

Obama FTW.

As for the preacher thing...most if not all preachers are extreme. I think it's coming to a shock to hear a black preacher for the first time for most. Just because Obama was a member of his church and respected him, doesn't mean that he believes everything this the guy udders.

Obama is half white...and half black. He is the product and symbol of what could be for us as a country....divided by deep rooted racism and politics.
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P.S....I'd be happy with Clinton as well, but prefer Obama.
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dude, wtf are you talking about? McCain is the most liberal republican of them all, in fact many of his beliefs/policies are alienating him from the far-right. And when has he changed his story/views? He has stuck to his guns throughout the whole war, and because of that his winning the election is almost totally dependent on how well this war goes between now and the general election. Hillary is the worst of all, doing nothing more than trying to cut down the other candidates to prop herself up. She's like a petty child kicking all the bigger kids in the shins and running away.
they interviewed McCain on his social security plan about a week ago, and he said he fully backs Bush's plan, which 3 weeks before that he had said, and so did his website, that he did not support the plan (the plan that states we can't guarantee money we promised to current retiree's, but we can guarantee more for future retiree's). Party insiders told him his plan was too liberal and that he needed to support the GOP plans. don't get me wrong, I do like McCain because he is somewhat liberal, closer to an independent style, but if you read what is going on and compare his debates, dude has changed his mind numerous times in order to please the people who are giving him crap for being too liberal. I think we could use a somewhat liberal conservative (almost a double negative I think), but the fact of the matter is, they are not letting him hold his own beliefs, true he has stuck to his guns on the war, but the war is not the only issue we have in this country. the war has taken attention off all of the other stuff the government is screwing up. But anyhow, both sides are going to screw something up, and billions of billions of dollars will continue to be misused. For example, in our states military, they are using the family readiness budget that is for families of soldiers and helping them cope, but they are using the money to hold party's for the governor and stuff like that, it's just retarded...
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^ in a way, the war affects everything. it costs $17,000,000 an hour. so many better schools could be built, there could be subsidies on healthcare, social security could have more funding, roads might be repaved (adding more jobs for the economy), and the fed wouldn't need to go into debt in order to fund the war (so the dollar wouldn't be so weak)

I can attribute a part of everything to the war, and no, it's not like everything will be instantly great if we got out of war, but I strongly believe it would be better
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^ things might be better if this money wasn't being spent on the war...or they might not. You can throw all the money in the world at a problem and you might not fix it, or even make it better.
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they interviewed McCain on his social security plan about a week ago, and he said he fully backs Bush's plan, which 3 weeks before that he had said, and so did his website, that he did not support the plan (the plan that states we can't guarantee money we promised to current retiree's, but we can guarantee more for future retiree's). Party insiders told him his plan was too liberal and that he needed to support the GOP plans. don't get me wrong, I do like McCain because he is somewhat liberal, closer to an independent style, but if you read what is going on and compare his debates, dude has changed his mind numerous times in order to please the people who are giving him crap for being too liberal. I think we could use a somewhat liberal conservative (almost a double negative I think), but the fact of the matter is, they are not letting him hold his own beliefs, true he has stuck to his guns on the war, but the war is not the only issue we have in this country. the war has taken attention off all of the other stuff the government is screwing up. But anyhow, both sides are going to screw something up, and billions of billions of dollars will continue to be misused. For example, in our states military, they are using the family readiness budget that is for families of soldiers and helping them cope, but they are using the money to hold party's for the governor and stuff like that, it's just retarded...
Then he's doing what every other politician in this election and in history has done: pandering. But to me maintaining your ORIGINAL beliefs on something like the Iraq war is far more important than doing so with a moral issue like stem-cell research. The dems saw the same evidence Bush did and thought it was the right thing to invade Iraq, and when it didn't work out they threw it in the republicans face to prop up their party. McCain could have easily done the same thing and it would probably help him significantly in this election if he took the same stance as the Dems, but he didn't because he genuinely believes this war is not a lost cause and the right thing to do is finish.

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it is true, could be better, but might not. I don't think that by not going to war, the sub-prime market wouldn't have imploded anyways, but I have a strong suspicion that the dollar wouldn't be trading 1:1 with the CAD without the high national debt.
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^ things might be better if this money wasn't being spent on the war...or they might not. You can throw all the money in the world at a problem and you might not fix it, or even make it better.
true talk , but our main problem is just getting it done, right now the old school politicians that rule the house and senate just aren't cuttin it in most aspects. they are slow, take breaks at key times, not to mention their interests are not for the people anymore, they are for the big businesses and lobbyists pushing their agenda. Sad really. Oh and they spend their time investigating steroids in baseball, and even wasted time investigating the patriots taping scandal in the NFL....tax dollars at work I guess. My problem is half the people that are going to vote in the elections are voting based on things that don't matter, like race, gender, and even name. the issues are what matter, but truthfully half of america doesn't care to learn the issues, they vote for who they think looks better on TV, I guarantee a lot of americans, if it comes down to mccain and obama, will choose McCain simply because he is the white guy, which is truly sad, even if he was the better candidate, it's not what people are basing their votes on [/rant]
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My problem is half the people that are going to vote in the elections are voting based on things that don't matter, like race, gender, and even name. the issues are what matter, but truthfully half of america doesn't care to learn the issues, they vote for who they think looks better on TV
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That goes both ways..lots of blacks will be voting for obama because he is black.
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