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Old 07-02-2009, 07:13 PM
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Default Vegetarian diet 'weakens bones'

Humans are meant to be omnivorous.

You cannot eliminate a whole category of foods without creating problems.

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SYDNEY (AFP) – People who live on vegetarian diets have slightly weaker bones than their meat-eating counterparts, Australian researchers said Thursday.

A joint Australian-Vietnamese study of links between the bones and diet of more than 2,700 people found that vegetarians had bones five percent less dense than meat-eaters, said lead researcher Tuan Nguyen.

The issue was most pronounced in vegans, who excluded all animal products from their diet and whose bones were six percent weaker, Nguyen said.

There was "practically no difference" between the bones of meat-eaters and ovolactovegetarians, who excluded meat and seafood but ate eggs and dairy products, he said.

"The results suggest that vegetarian diets, particularly vegan diets, are associated with lower bone mineral density," Nguyen wrote in the study, which was published Thursday in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.

"But the magnitude of the association is clinically insignificant," he added.

Nguyen, who is from Sydney's Garvan Institute for Medical Research and collaborated on the project with the Pham Ngoc Thach University of Medicine in Ho Chi Minh City, said the question of whether the lower density bones translated to increased fracture risk was yet to be answered.

"Given the rising number of vegetarians, roughly five percent (of people) in western countries, and the widespread incidence of osteoporosis, the issue is worth resolving," he said.
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There was "practically no difference" between the bones of meat-eaters and ovolactovegetarians, who excluded meat and seafood but ate eggs and dairy products, he said.
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"But the magnitude of the association is clinically insignificant," he added.
Correct me if I'm wrong... but the whole article basically says: "Vegetarians have lower bone density than those who eat meat but the difference is so small that it is clinically insignificant".

Nice... Good thing all that research money was wasted by the Australians, not us.
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well, six percent difference in bone density may make a difference in your latter years, when calcium loss occurs naturally. a fall could potentially mean the difference between a nasty bruise or a broken hip bone, especially for women.

(yeah, i know the article says it has yet to prove a correlation between lower bone density and increased fracture risk, but at face value, makes sense that you would be more prone to fractures with a lower bone density.)
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Well, what about the thought that no animal drinks milk from any another animal other than its own except for humans?
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well, six percent difference in bone density may make a difference in your latter years, when calcium loss occurs naturally. a fall could potentially mean the difference between a nasty bruise or a broken hip bone, especially for women.

(yeah, i know the article says it has yet to prove a correlation between lower bone density and increased fracture risk, but at face value, makes sense that you would be more prone to fractures with a lower bone density.)
But if the difference has been deemed clinically insignificant, it means that it does not account for any increase in health issues (which would include higher risk of fractures).
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^^^they still haven't explored the correlation between lower bone densities and increased likelihood of fractures - yet. (according to the last 2 paragraphs of the article).
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Well, what about the thought that no animal drinks milk from any another animal other than its own except for humans?
this is not true
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I know zero "healthy" vegetarians. They all look sickly and weak.
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Well, what about the thought that no animal drinks milk from any another animal other than its own except for humans?
What about it? All but a handful of species of animals can make use of ad hoc tools, let alone utters, and only one knows how to pasturize milk. Other animals also can't cook meat, most land animals can't eat a shark or squid, all other animals most certainly do not eat twinkies, etc.
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I think the point Sassan wants to make is that only humans continue to consume milk after our early childhood. All other animals move on and stick to solid adult foods.
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I think the point Sassan wants to make is that only humans continue to consume milk after our early childhood. All other animals move on and stick to solid adult foods.
That's what I understood too.
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I know zero "healthy" vegetarians. They all look sickly and weak.
You've been hanging around the wrong group of vegetarians then... I'm not a strict vegetarian (I'll eat some meat once in a while), but the ones I know are pretty darn healthy.
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I worked with a vegan about 13 years ago and since we were doing fairly physical jobs he would run out of energy part way through the day.
He even admitted that he was going to have to start eating a little meat so he could keep up with the rest of us throughout the day.
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Can't we all just stop the arguing and agree that hippies are stupid?
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Agreed.
Hippies are not only stupid but they reek of patchouli.
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Do they really need researchers burning money on that one?? I could've present to them a neat powerpoint presentation with charts, cool photoshopped images and cool fonts and all, with the same conclusion/s for 1/100th the cost.
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Do they really need researchers burning money on that one?? I could've present to them a neat powerpoint presentation with charts, cool photoshopped images and cool fonts and all, with the same conclusion/s for 1/100th the cost.
Which would negate your findings. Most vegetarians that are doing it for vogue reasons generally don't know how to balance their diet, especially if they're going from eating meat to generally not eating it. I tried this when I was 18 but I was meeting with a dietician bi-weekly. The sickly looking vegetarians are likely anemic or at worst are septic because they don't wash their food before they eat it if they're raw vegans.
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