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Old 06-23-2009, 03:58 PM
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I remember there being a big debate about infant mortality rates being crappy in the U.S. - well, here is your answer ( as I suspected but couldn't prove ). There is some other good stuff in there too.

Myth: “The U.S. has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the developed world.”
Talk about stretching a point until it snaps. This ranking is based on data mining.
The U.S. ranks high on this list largely because this country numbers among those that actually measure neonatal deaths, notably in premature infant fatalities, unlike other countries that basically leave premature babies to die, notes health analyst Betsey McCaughey.
Other statistical quirks push the U.S. unjustifiably higher in this ranking compared to other countries.
The Center for Disease Control says the U.S. ranks 29th in the world for infant mortality rates, ([Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register]), behind most other developed nations.
The U.S. is supposedly worse than Singapore, Hong Kong, Greece, Northern Ireland, Cuba and Hungary. And the U.S. is supposedly on a par with Slovakia and Poland. CNN, the New York Times, numerous outlets across the country report the U.S. as abysmal in terms of infant mortality, without delving into what is behind this ranking.
The Commonwealth Fund, a nonprofit research group, routinely flunks the U.S. health system using the infant mortality rate.
“Infant mortality and our comparison with the rest of the world continue to be an embarrassment to the United States,” Grace-Marie Turner, president of the Galen Institute, a research organization, has said.
Start with the definition. The World Health Organization (WHO) defines a country’s infant mortality rate as the number of infants who die between birth and age one, per 1,000 live births.
WHO says a live birth is when a baby shows any signs of life, even if, say, a low birth weight baby takes one, single breath, or has one heartbeat. While the U.S. uses this definition, other countries don’t and so don’t count premature or severely ill babies as live births-or deaths.
The United States counts all births if they show any sign of life, regardless of prematurity or size or duration of life, notes Bernardine Healy, a former director of the National Institutes of Health and former president and chief executive of the American Red Cross (Healy noted this information in a column for U.S. News & World Report).
And that includes stillbirths, which many other countries don’t report.
And what counts as a birth varies from country to country. In Austria and Germany, fetal weight must be at least 500 grams (1 pound) before these countries count these infants as live births, Healy notes.
In other parts of Europe, such as Switzerland, the fetus must be at least 30 centimeters (12 inches) long, Healy notes. In Belgium and France, births at less than 26 weeks of pregnancy are registered as lifeless, and are not counted, Healy says. And some countries don’t reliably register babies who die within the first 24 hours of birth, Healy notes.
Norway, which has one of the lowest infant mortality rates, shows no better infant survival than the United States when you factor in Norway’s underweight infants that are not now counted, Healy says, quoting Nicholas Eberstadt, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.
Moreover, the ranking doesn’t take into account that the US has a diverse, heterogeneous population, Healy adds, unlike, say, in Iceland, which tracks all infant deaths regardless of factor, but has a population under 300,000 that is 94% homogenous.
Likewise, Finland and Japan do not have the ethnic and cultural diversity of the U.S.’s 300 mn-plus citizens.
Plus, the U.S. has a high rate of teen pregnancies, teens who smoke, who take drugs, who are obese and uneducated, all factors which cause higher infant mortality rates.
And the US has more mothers taking fertility treatments, which keeps the rate of pregnancy high due to multiple-birth pregnancies.
Again, the U.S. counts all of these infants as births. Moreover, we’re not losing healthy babies, as the scary stats imply. Most of the babies that die are either premature or born seriously ill, including those with congenital malformations.
Even the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which collects the European numbers, cautions against using comparisons country-by-country.
“Some of the international variation in infant and neonatal mortality rates may be due to variations among countries in registering practices of premature infants (whether they are reported as live births or not),” the OECD says.
“In several countries, such as in the United States, Canada and the Nordic countries, very premature babies (with relatively low odds of survival) are registered as live births, which increases mortality rates compared with other countries that do not register them as live births.” (Note: Emphasis EMac’s).
The U.S. ranks much better on a measure that the World Health Organization says is more accurate, the perinatal mortality rate, defined as death between 22 weeks’ gestation and 7 days after birth. According to the [Only Registered Users Can See LinksClick Here To Register], the U.S. comes in at 16th-and even higher if you knock out several tiny countries with tiny birthrates and populations, such as Martinique, Hong Kong, and San Marino.
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Obama's administration will save or create many more misleading numbers like those to get what they want.
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Obama's administration will save or create many more misleading numbers like those to get what they want.
Dude, come on, seriously. Everything is not just Obama's administration. EVERY administration will pull out the reports that they want heard in order to support their agenda. Just like I would pull out every statistic in my favor to support me in a court case.
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Dude, come on, seriously. Everything is not just Obama's administration. EVERY administration will pull out the reports that they want heard in order to support their agenda. Just like I would pull out every statistic in my favor to support me in a court case.
I guess my comment went over your head completely. Hint: When have you ever heard of any administration using a figure as ridiculous as "jobs saved"? Shit, my fart could have saved 100,000 jobs and you couldn't prove me wrong. I agree with you, EVERYONE does it, but no one gets a pass like Obama is getting now.

They had the nerve to say they saved or created 150,000 jobs last time the figures came out even though the unemployment rate rose and not a single reporter called him on it... Well, only those Nazis from Fox, but they don't count. So my last post was more of a "I see what you did there" than really a commentary on this baby numbers article. Too hard to see that though with your panties bunched up your sandy vag...

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Dude, come on, seriously. Everything is not just Obama's administration. EVERY administration will pull out the reports that they want heard in order to support their agenda. Just like I would pull out every statistic in my favor to support me in a court case.
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