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Are you SERIOUSLY using Snopes as a "credible" fact-finding source?!?!?!
trust it more than you and Griff's half-cocked 'sources'.

find me one example where Snopes was completely wrong. I can bring up many examples of you being mis-informed, just plain wrong (i.e. You believing Obama was born in Kenya). That's the bigger

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You're finally getting it!!!

It's a known fact that cities with less-strict gun laws also have LESS crime. Why? Because an ARMED criminal isn't going to fuck with an ARMED citizen!!!
explain Japan and Great Britain. When's the last time they had a mass shooting? Guess what, they have severe gun restrictions.

Australia recently implemented a severe gun restriction program. guess what, no mass shootings yet.

Also, having people armed during a mass shooting incident is simply a recipe for disaster.

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geography man. you do know the surrounding states/counties have less restrictions. just grab a gun from a neighboring county/state and drive it in.
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geography man. you do know the surrounding states/counties have less restrictions. just grab a gun from a neighboring county/state and drive it in.
I've said it before the only true way to fix the problem is a full repeal of the 2nd Amendment or if the Supreme Court redefines/reinterprets "The right to bear arms."

Personally, I don't like guns, don't own one now and never will. I've been around them all of my adult life and know first hand how dangerous they are. With that said, I'm still not sold on complete confiscation yet that is what it will take to stop 99% of these shootings. Therein lies the quandary.
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geography man. you do know the surrounding states/counties have less restrictions. just grab a gun from a neighboring county/state and drive it in.
LOL. Ever try to buy a gun from a federally licensed dealer? You can't just go to a different state. Well you can but the sale has to be completed in the state where the resident lives. So in the case of Chicago that isn't happening legally.
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LOL. Ever try to buy a gun from a federally licensed dealer? You can't just go to a different state. Well you can but the sale has to be completed in the state where the resident lives. So in the case of Chicago that isn't happening legally.
LOL. surely someone as astute on gun laws as yourself has heard of private sales, aka 'secondary market sales'

BTW, you've been strangely silent on the issue of 'bump stocks'

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LOL. surely someone as astute on gun laws as yourself has heard of private sales, aka 'secondary market sales'

BTW, you've been strangely silent on the issue of 'bump stocks'
Private sales are not allowed in Illinois last time I checked. Anything secondary market in that state among others is illegal.

To be honest I had never heard of a bump stock before this. I am shocked to learn that it was the Obama administration that gave them the legal go ahead. The conspiracy theory in me almost wants to say that they wanted something like this to happen so that gun control can happen. But that would be crazy. I mean no one in his administration would ever use a tragedy or emergency for political purposes.

Now that I know about them I think it might be fun to plink with one time but I have never been a spray and pray shooter. Just a waste of ammunition. The only fully autos I really want are small calibers like the MP5 or MP45 or some others.
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Private sales are not allowed in Illinois last time I checked. Anything secondary market in that state among others is illegal.
ever heard of a car? is Illinois surrounded by a moat with a no-fly zone? last time I checked, people could drive in and out of Illinois.

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To be honest I had never heard of a bump stock before this. I am shocked to learn that it was the Obama administration that gave them the legal go ahead. The conspiracy theory in me almost wants to say that they wanted something like this to happen so that gun control can happen. But that would be crazy. I mean no one in his administration would ever use a tragedy or emergency for political purposes.

Now that I know about them I think it might be fun to plink with one time but I have never been a spray and pray shooter. Just a waste of ammunition. The only fully autos I really want are small calibers like the MP5 or MP45 or some others.
there you go again, doing a Conway. While your statement may be by its very definition technically correct, it's not like the Obama admin was falling all over themselves to approve bump stocks. rather, under current law, they couldn't find legal language to prevent the sales. of course the NRA is there to cockblock anytype of reasonable legislation.

Did Obama administration approve bump stocks? | PolitiFact
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ever heard of a car? is Illinois surrounded by a moat with a no-fly zone? last time I checked, people could drive in and out of Illinois.



there you go again, doing a Conway. While your statement may be by its very definition technically correct, it's not like the Obama admin was falling all over themselves to approve bump stocks. rather, under current law, they couldn't find legal language to prevent the sales. of course the NRA is there to cockblock anytype of reasonable legislation.

Did Obama administration approve bump stocks? | PolitiFact
So now you are saying that guns are bought illegally. As i have said before enforce the existing laws. No new laws are needed.

For all of your bashibg of the NRA i hope you know how racist you are being. If not look up the history of the founding and ask why you hate blacks so much.

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So now you are saying that guns are bought illegally. As i have said before enforce the existing laws. No new laws are needed.
NO!
Just pointing out how LEGAL 'secondary sales' skirt federal laws on the books, which normally would restrict felons and mentally unstable people from ever acquiring said firearms in the first place. quit twisting around the argument.

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For all of your bashibg of the NRA i hope you know how racist you are being. If not look up the history of the founding and ask why you hate blacks so much.

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calling you on your bullshit strawman argument

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NO!
Just pointing out how LEGAL 'secondary sales' skirt federal laws on the books, which normally would restrict felons and mentally unstable people from ever acquiring said firearms in the first place. quit twisting around the argument.



calling you on your bullshit strawman argument
Secondary gun sales are not legal in Illinois. Selling to someone from Illinois from out of state is illegal. As I said before, enforce existing gun laws and do not add other laws that are not needed.

The NRA was formed by Union republican soldiers in 1871 and one of the first things that they did was fight to ensure that free black slaves were allowed to own weapons as their rights were being stripped away by the Democrats that had formed the Klan. Being a Democrat and fighting with the Klan against the NRA is racist. So stop being racist.
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Secondary gun sales are not legal in Illinois. Selling to someone from Illinois from out of state is illegal. As I said before, enforce existing gun laws and do not add other laws that are not needed.
so are these all legal gunowners shooting each other? if not, where are they getting their guns?

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The NRA was formed by Union republican soldiers in 1871 and one of the first things that they did was fight to ensure that free black slaves were allowed to own weapons as their rights were being stripped away by the Democrats that had formed the Klan. Being a Democrat and fighting with the Klan against the NRA is racist. So stop being racist.
again, quit your bullshit strawman arguments.

for the record, I've brought-up Dixiecrats several times in the past.
https://www.livescience.com/34241-de...platforms.html

if anyone's racist here, i'd bet even money on you.
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This incident could have been prevented if assault weapons weren't allowed. If the shooter only had bolt action rifle or hand gun there would be less casualties. I still don't see why people need assault weapons. And I'm for gun ownership as I own several myself.
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so are these all legal gunowners shooting each other? if not, where are they getting their guns?



again, quit your bullshit strawman arguments.

for the record, I've brought-up Dixiecrats several times in the past.
https://www.livescience.com/34241-de...platforms.html

if anyone's racist here, i'd bet even money on you.
The people in Chicago, Baltimore, D.C. and Detroit are not legal gun owners. If you think that legal gun owners roll up and do a drive by then you have been watching to much Hunter on TV Land. Legal gun owners are the smallest groups of shooters there is.

Don't me mad because I am pointing out your racism by bashing the NRA. Stop with all of your micro aggressions. Not my fault you support the party of racism and hate through out this countries history.
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The Vegas police have changed the timeline of the shooting. They are now saying the killer shot 200 rounds through his hotel room door striking the hotel security guard 6 minutes BEFORE he began firing at the crowd.

Why the fuck didn't they react during those 6 minutes? They should have flooded that entire hotel floor with cops and at a minimum keep him occupied protecting his door and not shooting 1000's of rounds out of his window.

Police don't know why Las Vegas gunman fired -- or why he stopped - CNN
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This incident could have been prevented if assault weapons weren't allowed. If the shooter only had bolt action rifle or hand gun there would be less casualties. I still don't see why people need assault weapons. And I'm for gun ownership as I own several myself.
Assault weapons is a made up term to make some weapons see, more menacing.
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no, it's not a made up tern. these are assault rifles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assault_rifles
there is no reason for citizens to own any of them, they aren't for hunting and they aren't for self defense. i do love them to hell and back and we weren't allowed to own any of them in ussr but again, they are made for killing humans and nothing else.
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no, it's not a made up tern. these are assault rifles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assault_rifles
there is no reason for citizens to own any of them, they aren't for hunting and they aren't for self defense. i do love them to hell and back and we weren't allowed to own any of them in ussr but again, they are made for killing humans and nothing else.
All if the rifles we have been talking about here are not assault rifles. By the wikipedia definition any assault they must be selective fire. All civilian arms are not selective fire. They are all semi auto. The fastest rate of fire is that of your finger. Well until the Obama administration allowed bump stocks.


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