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no, I am being practical and logical......not challenging someone's freedoms.
Nothing proposed would have stopped any mass shooting for the last 50 years. When Charles Whitman killed 15 people and wounded 31 more. All he had was a Remington 700 6-mm bolt-action hunting rifle, a .35-caliber pump rifle, a .30-caliber carbine (M1), a 9-mm Luger pistol, a Galesi-Brescia .25-caliber pistol, a Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolver, and more than 700 rounds of ammunition. He also packed food, coffee, vitamins, Dexedrine, Excedrin, earplugs, jugs of water, matches, lighter fluid, rope, binoculars, a machete, three knives, a transistor radio, toilet paper, a razor, and a bottle of deodorant. All of those long gun weapons are common hunting rifles.

Your practical and logical is challenging my freedoms. One of the main reasons I moved from California is because they arbitrarily declared a few of my weapons assault weapons years after I had purchased them. I was being forced to re-register them, at a cost to me, and be listed in a California database. If you think those fuckers are not itching to confiscate weapons for any reason you are fucking insane.
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Get the fuck outta here with that bs article, Griff. I am all for playing devil's advocate and seeing both sides of the argument but how can you tell me that we have a need for assault rifles.

Also, if an assault rifle costs $25k and he bought 20 of them, why couldn't a percentage of that money go towards policing him or have him anywhere near the radar.
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When he founding fathers wrote the declaration of independence and the rights to bare arms they were talking about fuckin muskets and shit not AR-15s
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Nothing proposed would have stopped any mass shooting for the last 50 years. When Charles Whitman killed 15 people and wounded 31 more. All he had was a Remington 700 6-mm bolt-action hunting rifle, a .35-caliber pump rifle, a .30-caliber carbine (M1), a 9-mm Luger pistol, a Galesi-Brescia .25-caliber pistol, a Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolver, and more than 700 rounds of ammunition.
I don't see your point. He had 6 guns. So what? Better than 33.
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I don't see your point. He had 6 guns. So what? Better than 33.
All of the fire arms listed are 100% legal in every state because they are common hunting rifles. You can not legislate morality, compassion and the evil out of the hearts of anyone. 1 or 33 it does not matter. Where there is a will there is a way.
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Get the fuck outta here with that bs article, Griff. I am all for playing devil's advocate and seeing both sides of the argument but how can you tell me that we have a need for assault rifles.

Also, if an assault rifle costs $25k and he bought 20 of them, why couldn't a percentage of that money go towards policing him or have him anywhere near the radar.
Assault rifles are a made up term to make semi automatic weapons seem more dangerous and to scare morons that have no clue about weapons.

The money spent in from the buyer to the seller. The licenses only cost about $400 each.
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When he founding fathers wrote the declaration of independence and the rights to bare arms they were talking about fuckin muskets and shit not AR-15s
The second amendment is about the citizens protecting themselves from government. If it was written by those men today it would read the same.
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It's time. Good grief.
Sassan, Deft and Magoo I am finally agreeing with you all. Gun control is needed. Hell confiscation is an absolute must. After reviewing all of the facts about bad people with guns I think that there is only one group of people that need their guns rights stripped away. I hope you all can join me in banning bad people with guns. I will lay out the facts and you tell me what you guys think about who needs their guns taken away.

In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States.

In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States who later died from the wound.

In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States.

In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States.

In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States.

In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.

In 1986 Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.

In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.

In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Luby's cafeteria.

In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.

In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service.

In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US.

In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant.

In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho, shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech.

In 2009, a left wing radical Islamic sympathizer Major Nidal Hasan fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 others on Fort Hood, near Killeen, Texas. The shooting produced more casualties than any other on an American military base.

In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in the head thus wounding her for life.

In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.

In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis.

In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed 26 people in a school.

In Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy ship yard.

In 2016 a registered Muslim Democrat murdered 49 people in an Orlando night club.
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^ fucking Griff, our own Joseph Goebbels.

whatever little respect I had for you just went out the window.

you and Kelly Ann Conway would make a lovely couple.

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All of the fire arms listed are 100% legal in every state because they are common hunting rifles. You can not legislate morality, compassion and the evil out of the hearts of anyone. 1 or 33 it does not matter. Where there is a will there is a way.

You are totally missing my point. I am a gun owner. I have 2 handguns, will get a rifle, and that is it. I don't see any need to have 33 different weapons in my home. If the three I have (will have) are not enough, then I have other problems. I never said confiscate anything or anyone's stuff. I continue to say there is no need for so many in one person's home, extended magazines, etc.

You say I deflect, yet you take everything I say to the ultimate extreme.


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^ fucking Griff, our own Joseph Goebbels.

whatever little shred of respect I had for you just flew out the window.

you and Kelly Ann Conway would make a lovely couple.

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Griff, i admit, you usually have valid points in your debates and have legitimate backup. But linking opinion pieces and copy-pasting chain mails shows you're struggling to defend your position.

I agree with you in that there should be no restrictions on the amount. People have a right to their hobbies, whatever they may be. I also agree that people who want to kill, will kill.

However being the historical nature of guns, there should be type of flagging system to alert local police when a person exceeds a certain threshold. This guy bought 33 guns in the past year. Yes, all legal, but how does this NOT raise a flag?
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You are totally missing my point. I am a gun owner. I have 2 handguns, will get a rifle, and that is it. I don't see any need to have 33 different weapons in my home. If the three I have (will have) are not enough, then I have other problems. I never said confiscate anything or anyone's stuff. I continue to say there is no need for so many in one person's home, extended magazines, etc.

You say I deflect, yet you take everything I say to the ultimate extreme.





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So you do not see a need for 33 weapons. Who are you to tell anyone that they shouldn't see a need for 33 weapons? You admit to having 3 and getting one more. Who is to say that you don't have to many? That is what all of this comes down to. Who are you or the government to tell anyone how many of anything that can own? It is legal products. Once you let government start telling people what they can or can not own what is next? Climate change? Well you don't need 2 cars in a family with young children. 3 cars in a family with teenagers is to much and contributes to the end of the earth. Health insurance? Well lets go single payer. Now do you really need twinkies chips or soda? It is not good for you and makes costs skyrocket so lets ban or at least limit how much junk and fast food a person can eat in a year. It is all the same to a free libertarian. Government has zero right to tell a free person how to live their life or spend their money.

So I ask the question again who are you or anyone else to say that 33 is to much?
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Griff, i admit, you usually have valid points in your debates and have legitimate backup. But linking opinion pieces and copy-pasting chain mails shows you're struggling to defend your position.

I agree with you in that there should be no restrictions on the amount. People have a right to their hobbies, whatever they may be. I also agree that people who want to kill, will kill.

However being the historical nature of guns, there should be type of flagging system to alert local police when a person exceeds a certain threshold. This guy bought 33 guns in the past year. Yes, all legal, but how does this NOT raise a flag?
I just thought it was funny.

But if you read the violent manifestos of domestic terrorists that act on their hate (like antifa) you will find that for the most part they are socialists and communists.
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Are you SERIOUSLY using Snopes as a "credible" fact-finding source?!?!?!


Griff, I got you. They just don't WANT to understand that the threat is real; they want to stay uninformed and sheltered so they don't have to face the truth. Until they have to face it. THEN they'll understand.
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So you do not see a need for 33 weapons. Who are you to tell anyone that they shouldn't see a need for 33 weapons? You admit to having 3 and getting one more. Who is to say that you don't have to many? That is what all of this comes down to. Who are you or the government to tell anyone how many of anything that can own? It is legal products. Once you let government start telling people what they can or can not own what is next? Climate change? Well you don't need 2 cars in a family with young children. 3 cars in a family with teenagers is to much and contributes to the end of the earth. Health insurance? Well lets go single payer. Now do you really need twinkies chips or soda? It is not good for you and makes costs skyrocket so lets ban or at least limit how much junk and fast food a person can eat in a year. It is all the same to a free libertarian. Government has zero right to tell a free person how to live their life or spend their money.

So I ask the question again who are you or anyone else to say that 33 is to much?
Let me break down your response:

1. I said I have two. I may get one more. That's it.

2. "It is legal products." - And my point is, maybe so many weapons or types of arms shoud be legal.

3. "Climate change" - If it means survival of the planet the scientific community has proven it, then yes, we should restrict things i.e. carbon emissions, etc.

In MANY cities around the world, certain cars are limited to driving on certain days of the week to control emissions.....and few people complain about it because it is for the greater good.

4. Health insurance -

you know what.....never mind. It is a just a never-ending circle with you people. Never, ever ending.


Fuck it. Give guns to everyone, because that solves the issues. Fuck the earth, climate change is a hoax, fake news. Health insurance, find a way to afford it. If you can't fuck you.



Never freaking ending here.....

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Give guns to everyone
You're finally getting it!!!

It's a known fact that cities with less-strict gun laws also have LESS crime. Why? Because an ARMED criminal isn't going to fuck with an ARMED citizen!!!
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2. "It is legal products." - And my point is, maybe so many weapons or types of arms shoud be legal.
How many times can I say that banning or limiting types does not work. It has never worked and it will never work. Drugs are banned and illegal yet there are people here that smoke pot (see Tom Petty thread for proof). Whether you like it being illegal or not is not the issue. The issue is that it is banned and people will still somehow manage to get it.

Guns in Chicago are virtually banned in their entirety. Illinois has some of the most restrictive laws in the country yet this happened in 24 hours over the weekend....

'I saw people running and I started running:' 2 dead, 13 injured in city shootings

There is no policy that will ever, EVER, make bad people suddenly all at one say "Well it is illegal so we can not do that." It will never happen. Ever. EVER. If you think anything different then you are not as smart as you seem to be. Nothing proposed so far would have stopped and of the past mass shootings. And a woman that I vehemently disagree with on 99% of all issues, and who happens to hate the second amendment, agrees with what I just said..

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Guns in Chicago are virtually banned in their entirety. Illinois has some of the most restrictive laws in the country yet this happened in 24 hours over the weekend....

'I saw people running and I started running:' 2 dead, 13 injured in city shootings


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I dont know why I even waste my time trying to arguing with you guys so far out there.....so I am done with it.
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