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Old 05-03-2012, 09:57 AM
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Pioneer avh-p4400bh or kenwood ddx419 head unit
Kicker comp vr 12" x2
Kicker dx500.1 amp
Already have rainbow slc comps front and rear.
The kenwood has more Volts but not to sure if that matters.
I heard the subs in store and they pound and the amp they used was only 200 watts the amp I want is 500.
Anybody that has experience please chime in and guide me in the right direction as to what to get next.
Btw installing in a 2001 Altima.
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A higher output voltage means you can keep the gain on your amp lower which will reduce the noise or hiss coming from your amp at higher volumes.
But if the voltages are close and the Pioneer has features you really want then go with that.
Make sure you use thick enough wire for the power feed going to your amp and with the wattage you're going to be pushing if you often play it at loud volumes you may want to look into adding a capacitor to your amp power feed.
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The pioneer is I believe 3volts and the kenwood is 4.
I already have a cap so I'm good on that.
I am looking at sundown audio and ssa.
Just unsure what would be best for sound quality low and high and clarity. I listen to mainly hip hop rap and occasional rock.
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With the output of both HU being so close I would go with the unit you like the best.
As for your speaker choice I would have to look into which ones match your existing speaker and the amp best.
You want the ohm rating on the speakers to match the sweet spot on your amp and you want speakers that have a higher spl that way they work more efficiently.
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I can look up the ohm rating on the rainbows when I get home tonight and post back.
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the box says:

Peak power: 150 Watt
Power rating: 100 Watt
Minimum amplifier power: 50 Watt
Sensitivity: 90 dB 1W/1m
Frequency response: 60 - 30.000 Hz
Impedance: 4 Ohm
Slope: 2 x 12 dB/Okt.
Crossover frequency: 3.600 Hz
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:08 PM
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Is your amp going to drive all your speakers?
Is it a multichannel amp and how much does it send to each channel?
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Yeah I would run all the speakers off the amp. Would a dual amp setup benefit at all?
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A dual amp system is better from the standpoint that you're separating the heaviest load (the sub) to an individual amp, leaving the other amp to drive the rest of the speakers.
The other advantage is you can better match the amp to the subs and most times end up with a much higher wattage dedicated amp.
The downside is the system end up costing you more and it will be more work to mount and install multiple amps.
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This is what was recommended to me from someone else. The amp is only a 1ch and I'd assume I'd just run the subs off that and get another amp for the speakers.
The amp for the speakers does it need to be a 1 or 4ch amp?


i usually listen to rap and hip hop too. in that case i would recommend this amp
http://www.woofersetc.com/p-9682-saz...amplifier.aspx
2 of these subs
http://www.woofersetc.com/p-9260-sa-...subwoofer.aspx
and a box built to exact specs
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It has been years since I played with or talked about car stereo shit. Pioneer does have a 4 volt output on some of their HU's. I highly recommend not buying any pioneer HU's. I've owned 5 and every single one broke. I kept buying them for the MP3 function & the 4 volt output. Never again. How do plan on powering two 4ohm subs with a single channel 4ohm amp? Are your subs dual voice coils? What class of amp is it?
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This is what was recommended to me from someone else. The amp is only a 1ch and I'd assume I'd just run the subs off that and get another amp for the speakers.
The amp for the speakers does it need to be a 1 or 4ch amp?


i usually listen to rap and hip hop too. in that case i would recommend this amp
WoofersEtc.com - SAZ-1500D v.2 - Sundown Audio 1500W 1-Channel Monoblock Amplifier
2 of these subs
WoofersEtc.com - SA-12 D4 - Sundown Audio 12" 600W Dual 4-Ohm SA Series Subwoofer
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You should use a multi-channel amp to power your main speakers.
That way you have control over the gain for each channel and you will retain left/right separation.
Your setup should be a 4-channel amp with a monoblock amp that can handle the impedance of both your subs in either series or parallel.
If your amps are dual voice coil then it would depend on their overall impedance as to what amp you should match them to.
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Class definitions

Amplifier Classes

Class A amps for highs
Class D amps for lows
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Amplifier Classes

Class A amps for highs
Class D amps for lows
Thanks very useful info there.
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You should use a multi-channel amp to power your main speakers.
That way you have control over the gain for each channel and you will retain left/right separation.
Your setup should be a 4-channel amp with a monoblock amp that can handle the impedance of both your subs in either series or parallel.
If your amps are dual voice coil then it would depend on their overall impedance as to what amp you should match them to.
Going to get what I linked earlier as far as subs and sub amp goes. Box will be tuned to 30-32hz wired parallel. Just need to find another decent 4ch amp for the comps and get the right size box and I will get it all installed.
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